“How I see it is here you have the world and the church builds its organization and we ask the people to come out of the world into the church building. And then we ask them to put on our t-shirts, we give them a new language, sing our songs, become a small group leader, we give them our job description, and then we ask them to go back into the world and they don’t know how to relate. That’s why they only see church one day a week. 



Reality is here’s the world, church may be here, but God says you’re supposed to go into the world and you’re supposed to equip them. So it’s not so much about them fulfilling the churches destiny, or the vision of the organization of the church, but it’s the church actually helping the people find their destiny and then equipping them to make a difference in their world. It’s a totally different mindset.”